WHOW today I finally get in touch with Andrew (after beating my poor guy for some time and showing me prison cells) he say that he addressed all major complaints that he get about new system (great work Jagex). Basically most you can read from this news that is posted on official site.

Small tweaks to mining - 15th November 2002
Today we've made the following small changes to mining:

You can now mine twice as much silver before getting tired. This is because it was pointed out that it shouldn't really by harder to get silver than gold. This actually now means silver is easier to get than it has ever been in the past

We've made it 2-3 times easier to get gems under the new mining system, since that wasn't quite balanced correctly

We've added a new mine in the swamp south of Lumbridge with 4 mithril rocks, and 1 adamantite rock, this is to replace the rocks removed from elsewhere. The rocks were moved to make sure everything is the correct distance from a bed for the new system to work properly.

We made bread, pies, and pizza restore TWICE as much fatigue as they did before, which should make these foods much more worthwhile. We predict enterprising pizza sellers will turn up at the mining sites shortly :-)
A few confused players seem to think the new fatigue system actually makes mining take longer, but this is not the case. After testing every single mining site at every single level, we can conclusively say that it takes no longer to get ore, or level-up than before. But it's a heck of a lot less tedious and repetitive.

Remember we've added lots of new beds so you might not have to walk as far as you think, we're hoping to add all bed locations to our worldmap soon to help you find them.

We think the only people who will not prefer the new system now, are of course the cheats/macroers, and a few odd people who bizzarely LIKED clicking on the same point on their screen, over and over and over again.. weird!

All in all it will probably still need some minor tweaks but it look to me that we passed worst moment and even with some good strategies you will be able to get more experience in less time this new way.

Ok now we need some info about new system as it is visible when ore spawns someone can actually measure it and send us results to add, we need a map of this new mine too, and also we need info how much fatigue heal updated foods.

SUBMIT ALL INFO ONLY TO THIS EMAIL: Submit new Fatigue related info

Life is hard for miners and fisherman’s this days. Rules change day after day and only one who can be happy are people who wished to ruin Runescape with auto miners and worse.

Beds are all moved to 40 second+ walk from mines

Mining is harder then it was in first patch someone with slow computer even with higher skill cannot get ore any more as someone will click and get ore before him.

Adamite and mithril rocks removed from Mining guild and Dwarwen mine. (balancing economy? P2P fix?)

From what I hear and seen until now there is possible to mine them only on Crandor (no bed near) and in scorpion pit (nearest bed is in palace or 2nd floor shop)

Also some things that are not measurable so easy but

No more friendly chat at mines you get tired too fast and need to walk/run to bed.

Most of all this I like colours of new rocks so I made a big family pic.
- All colours of mining, hmm not all I’m still missing a RUNE one ;-)

Lol ok its time that I hit my REAL bed and dream a little about ideal mining system with all this new rainbow rocks, mode to fill my backpack with 25 rune/adam ores before I need to search place where to sleep, even if it will cost me all my pizzas, prayer points or potions (hint, hint)

Great move from Jagex !! They scrap all and rewrite fatigue rules from start !! Hmm grrr and I just started to understand how it works and get 2 mining and one smiting level in process.

Here is official news posted about this !!

Fatigue - version #2 now online - 14th November 2002
We've worked extremely hard today to update the mining/fishing system with respect to your comments and feedback. Here is how the new system works.

You can now actually see ore in the rock on the screen, so you can see when it spawns.
Ore now appears in the rocks TWICE as fast as it did pre-fatigue
When ore is available you will always manage to get it now, you very very rarely miss.
To compensate for the faster spawns you get slightly tired as you mine
The higher level you have, the more you can mine before you become tired
We've put a LOT of effort into balancing this system, I even wrote a little test program to compare the overall times of mining and fishing before and after, (this takes into account the extra time taken to go and get some rest), the time it takes to get ore / level should new be pretty much EXACTLY the same it was before, but mining is now much more varied and fun. We've also moved an awful lots of bed, and a few rocks/fish to make certain all the sites always have a bed within a carefully calculated distance,

Please give the system a good chance before sending any feedback. We've really put a lot of effort into making sure the version#2 system doesn't disadvantage anyone (except cheats!)

We might need to make a few more tweaks yet, but hopefully we're getting close to a really good system now.

Thanks Andrew

BTW. all info we got for new calculator become outdated now and even Adrenalina sleeping map is outdated too so I will remove that all :-(, Lol even poll is already outdated I will have to update it ;-).

and THANKS ALL who submitted info, voted and give its opinion on our forums .. that really helped!

Lol what you expected ... of course new poll is about FATIQUE!!!

I’m overloaded with "fatigue" emails, so I have very solid opinion what people are thinking lol, but lets see what is general opinion about it, lets give your vote, call your friends to vote, declare a clan war on people who don't vote!!

Ok Now I can also comment our "long lasting" What is the hardest skill to level up on, that produce its results as JAGEX added new Dragon bones to prayer that was absolute champion as hardest skill to level. *psst* Mining was second as hardest skill but it is not our idea to add fatigue as counter price for improved mining speed.
You can take a look at What is the hardest skill to level up on? which finished with over 78.000 votes !!

Thanks all 30 people who submitted this poll idea ;-)

Whow thanks Adrealina from Romanian RS tips site, she send us a Misthalin and Asgarnia map with all beds she found.

Sleeping places Map

Paul Gower (Jagex team) posted at our boards some more informations about mining

Some points I feel i should make about fatigue after talking to various people.

Fatigue affectss fishing and mining.

It also has a very small affect on woodcutting and stealing from chests.

Going to a bed is by far the best way to heal fatigue.

Eating food like pies and pizzas isn't too bad.

Fish is not good for healing fatigue, save that for healing hits, we've done it like this to make some of the slightly less popular foods more useful.

As your skill level increases you will be able to work at higher fatigue levels. So higher level miners will be able to mine at higher fatigue levels, fishers will be able to fish at higher fatigue levels etc.

some rocks give you more fatigue than others, this is dependant on ore type and location.
- Coal rocks a long way from a bed give you less fatigue than some other coal rocks, the mining guild coal rocks give less fatigue.
-wilderness rocks give less fatigue

There are now beds in some wilderness locations.

It's possible that the fatigue system may need the odd tweak here and there- though we've put in alot of work to try and get it roughly balanced.

I think mining and fishing now require slightly more thought from players

Try and work the best strategies for doing things before stating how things should be different.

You can read more about this on our board (if it dont crash over all people going there)

Fatigue - frequently asked questions

Tweaks to the fatigue system

As for now from emails we received we get to result that
a.) Same rock gives you always-same fatigue for any mining level
b.) Higher level you are more fatigue you will support it is cc. 1 coal for every 10 levels of mining skill.
c.) Rest recover cc 53.5% fatigue for every "nap"
d.) Some foods recover less then 1% fatigue
e.) Fatigue created have decimal part that we cannot see so iron can be 3.2 or 3.15 and it varies from rock to rock :-(
f.) this is only theory that need confirmation, but it look like that you can mine or fish more if you mine/fish DIFFERENT ores/fishes, there is some reports that you can mine only 5 coal but you can get 1 mithril up to this even if you was unable to get more coal !!!!. And order in which you get ore have its effect too.

Whow, just a little time ago a new mining sistem go live.

New statistic called Fatigue.

Mining and Fishing will make you tierd and after some time you will need to eat or take a nap.

Here go official more detailed news:

Latest RuneScape News - 13th November 2002
Mining improved! We have changed mining and fishing so that they no longer consist of hours of tedious repetative clicking. The rocks are now easier to mine so you don't have to click anything like as much, and prospecting always works.

Instead of the repetative clicking we have introduced a new 'fatigue' system which means as you do tasks such as mining your character slowly becomes tired. After a certain point (which depends on your level, and on the rock), you will become too tired to mine. When this happens simply rest at a bed or eat some food, and you'll feel much more lively again. The upshot of this is that the honest miners should be able to get their ore slightly quicker, whilst the cheats will just have to go somewhere else.

Also due to popular request we have modified the wilderness monsters so they are always agressive regardless of your level. It was pointed out by many players that the wilderness is supposed to be dangerous place, so the new monster attacking rule has been removed in this zone.

There is also posted one update shortly after:

Important note about the fatigue system - 13th November 2002
To the small minority of people complaining that mining is harder before they've even tried it properly - Please just give the new system a chance. It's only just gone online, so you can't possible have tried it out properly yet! If you were able to master an entirely new aspect of the game in under 2 hours then it would be pretty boring.

We've tested this update very thoroughly, and actually sat with a stop watch timing how long it takes to get an inventory full of ore with both the old and new system. We've deliberately made the system a bit more complex, and introduced strategies and tactics which you will have to discover. If you are finding that levelling your mining is slower, that's because you're doing it wrong!!!

Luckily most people have already started to discover there is more to this update than meets the eye, and are busy enjoying discovering the new system. Thanks to everyone who's told us how much they are enjoying this update.

We always welcome well thought out feedback from players regarding new updates. But please make sure you understand the subject you're talking about first.

Now thinking about this system and from my experience from others games using this system it can even have positive effects to player ecconomy. some ideas what to do:

Go mining full of food: so as you get ore you will eat and consume food to make space for ore i think this will help to keep you get full load of ore back from trip.

Probably food will get much more important now and it will be good idea to create some reservs in bank before you go mining. So you will get to bank unload coal and fill you with food to go on work again. Eventualy you can pass near some bed to take a nap (not that other thing you was thinked bed is for).

NOW we need to understand more and you can help please send us info how much mining or fishing tire you!! Everything will be important:

Your combat level, your mining or fishing level, what you was mining and how much fatique you get!

How much fatigue you recovered from after eating particular food and what combat lv you was!
As soon as we get enough info i will try to make a new calculator about it.

USE ONLY THIS EMAIL TO REPORT Fatique information

I'm still reading this mountains of emails, and I noted too many people was not understanding how work our old smiting calculator that was giving you TOTAL experience after you will smelt AND smith. And as I understand that many people work in batch and will like to find how much experience they will get from single task I created 2 new calculators for you!!

Smelting experience Calculator !!! find how many ore you need to smelt

Smiting experience Calculator !!! find how many bars of metal you need to smith

Of course this is not all I'm still working on monster database and after I read some thousand emails I updated Monsters from Level 250 (King Dragon) down to 56 level (Ice warrior and Knight are last) !! I uploaded new or/and better pictures of all monsters and I think it all look much better.

As for our Money and Guild contest there is already over 250 submissions and I will have VERY hard time to select best ones, as there is really too many great works I will try to select not only one but fey and publish them as separate articles.

I’m still looking over monster database, and there are remaining “only” 3000 emails to check, in meantime as we are getting many request about two interesting arguments and there is many people asking to become a TIP staff so I think that first step to show your skill, can be to help on things we are missing and start puting your name on site.
With this contest for writing GUILD guide and MONEY MAKING guide you have a chance to start.

1.) GUILD GUIDE requirements:

List of all Guilds with requirements to enter, items, non players and services that you can find in there, OPTIONAL you can make a map of guild interior or some map to find them too if it is not present on our locations (if it is on locations please use LINK TO existent MAP)
You can find most info searching our news, and searching our board checking Locations page and shop page.

2.) MONEY MAKING guide requirements:

This is harder thing to do as you need to know much more about game and you will have to write good advices for at last new players but good bonus if it contain something for higher levels on how to make money fast. How much money you can make in one hour of play, what is min skill etc. Some info can be found searching our board.

You need to send me HTML, CSS or TEXT that will stay in table cell (no header, background etc.) eventual pic in PNG, or GIF format to not loose quality.

Best guide based on INFORMATION QUALITY will be added to site with author name or runescape name and from all other submissions that have informations not mentioned in above guide author names will be added under “thanks”.
USE ONLY THIS SUBJECT and EMAIL to submit guides !!!

GUILD_CONTEST

MONEY_CONTEST

Arghh there is people who try to use even my name to get your password or to make you run programs that will steal your Runescape password. Please Do not believe anyone who is asking you to "test program", give your account to someone for test etc, we will never ask someone who we do not know very well for such help. Also remember that ANYONE can easy forge SENDER email, so do not believe in any email until you don’t send it directly to us and this is replied email. Here is latest report about one imposer trying to take account of one person

hello.....i'm currently a rs player....and my rs name is xxxxxxxxx ... I was just sent an instant message from a guy name "silvorion"....and he was asking me to test a new rs calculator.
He said i'd get credit and100k for testing it....but i didn't know if he was u.....so i looked and the site...and saw that your name was spelled silverion and not silvorion......so if he is a fake i would like to let u know to warn evryone about him. If he isn't, then i"m sorry..it was a mistake :)

So this was clearly impostor trying to make this guy run his password-stealing program. and if you get contacted by anyone like this please get his IP and all info you can get and we will report it to all relevant authorities.

Here is list of some other FAKE names and emails that you have to be careful on. Look very carefully at all letters.

LightningMod, Lightning Mod , Mod Lightning and ModLightning hit Msn and aol, also a lightnin (no g) in mirc as well roaming.
Iightingmaria@hotmail (is not me cap I)
Lightningmaria@hotmail (is also false one)